Hazed and unused

[roadwarrior]

I have no horse in this race, but an observation...if all the watches that fog up are under $300 (for example) , and NO watches over $600 (for example) ever fog up, just consider in the cheaper priced watches, a fogged crystal will occur. Use the dollar savings to pay for a crystal cleaning. Or, if that bothers you, only buy more costly watches that don't fog.

Pacemaker Insertion

Fair Price $26,128​

$20,902

$65,320+​

I guess if you go in on the low end of the bar for a pacemaker, it's acceptable if you should have complications or even drop dead.

Heart

Treatment	Average cost per procedure ($)
​Insertion of a Cardiac Stent	​$7,800
Insertion of a Pacemaker​	​$12,300
​Coronary Artery Grafts-Bypass surgery	​$38,100
Heart Transplant	$139,900

CRT-P pacemakers, which are newer versions, cost about $6,250 on average, while the average price of older implantable pacemakers is roughly $4,000. The price of the older pacemaker models was flat year over year.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20140512/NEWS/305129923

 

[pacerguy]

Mike..here is my thinking. I am just reading here and listening.
If playing detective, the watch makers can find a common culprit, I would hope the manufacturers correct a design flaw.
However...
Like Poly straps....it appears that 99% of the posts claim that of the breakages, 99% are Invicta, many collectors have stopped buying Invicta poly strapped watches. End of discussion. Or change the strap if/when it fails.
Following the same thought train, if 99% of the crystal fog is pointing to Invicta or Android (I thought price could be a common culprit, but you said it is not), then collectors should cease buying Invicta or Android. Of course, collectors can continue to clean the crystals of affected watches, when the need arises.

id hope the watchmakers discover what is the fogging cause and correct it. Unless its not worth it to them, and they can afford to lose business of some customers, but gain business more than they lose. Finding and fixing a problem takes money...that's their decision where to put it.

id hope no one has died from a fogged crystal or broken poly strap. People can die from a defective medical device.

I read your link...glad i retired when I did...

 

[roadwarrior]

Mike..here is my thinking. I am just reading here and listening.
If playing detective, the watch makers can find a common culprit, I would hope the manufacturers correct a design flaw.
However...
Like Poly straps....it appears that 99% of the posts claim that of the breakages, 99% are Invicta, many collectors have stopped buying Invicta poly strapped watches. End of discussion. Or change the strap if/when it fails.
Following the same thought train, if 99% of the crystal fog is pointing to Invicta or Android (I thought price could be a common culprit, but you said it is not), then collectors should cease buying Invicta or Android. Of course, collectors can continue to clean the crystals of affected watches, when the need arises.

You're preaching to the choir. Unless I throw out the ones I have already, I still have to deal with the issue. I haven't purchased any Invicta watches in many moons and to date only have two Aragon's! It's one of the main reasons even if something should sing to me from Wing I will be very hesitant to buy another. I have no problem working on my watches for normal wear such as dead batteries and so forth, but having to crack open so many automatics as well as quartz for crystal haze gets old fast.

 

[roadwarrior]

Mike..here is my thinking. I am just reading here and listening.
If playing detective, the watch makers can find a common culprit, I would hope the manufacturers correct a design flaw.
However...
Like Poly straps....it appears that 99% of the posts claim that of the breakages, 99% are Invicta, many collectors have stopped buying Invicta poly strapped watches. End of discussion. Or change the strap if/when it fails.
Following the same thought train, if 99% of the crystal fog is pointing to Invicta or Android (I thought price could be a common culprit, but you said it is not), then collectors should cease buying Invicta or Android. Of course, collectors can continue to clean the crystals of affected watches, when the need arises.

id hope the watchmakers discover what is the fogging cause and correct it. Unless its not worth it to them, and they can afford to lose business of some customers, but gain business more than they lose. Finding and fixing a problem takes money...that's their decision where to put it.

id hope no one has died from a fogged crystal or broken poly strap. People can die from a defective medical device.

I read your link...glad i retired when I did...

Yeah no kidding, seriously there is no comparison. I would give up all my worldly possessions to save a life I care about! I merely used pacemakers as a sarcastic example about your nonchalance correlating price to getting a free pass for shoddy build quality because it was the field you were in.

 

[pacerguy]

Mike...Message received....I understand. All cool. I was trying to simplify something complex...oh well. Carry on.

 

[roadwarrior]

Unless its not worth it to them, and they can afford to lose business of some customers, but gain business more than they lose. Finding and fixing a problem takes money...that's their decision where to put it.

This sounds like the definition of greed to me! ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑

Finding and fixing a problem takes money. It's a good thing you aren't the CEO of a watch company. I guess company integrity and reputation means very little these days when it comes to the bottom line. Obviously if some other companies are able to get it right the first time with an acceptable profit margin it can't cost too much.