I think I'm done with Aragon......

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Buy what you like. If I see something I like and it's using a sapphire crystal I don't hesitate, but pick my spots. I've never seen AliExpress offer a watch like this for $228.96 delivered. So far, so good. It has a sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel.

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Love you brother but we are not taking about a specific limited model that Aragon released with all the right parts, but rather the other few dozen that were released that had issues.
 
roadwarrior said:
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Buy what you like. If I see something I like and it's using a sapphire crystal I don't hesitate, but pick my spots. I've never seen AliExpress offer a watch like this for $228.96 delivered. So far, so good. It has a sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel.

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Strap with the orange trim looks sharp on that watch.
 
oogway said:
This is completely unacceptable.
Aragon goes on my blacklist.
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Oog... i’ve got to sayit. If hazy crystals put them on the blacklist than Invicta has to be there too. I know you’re a fan so that may not go over well. Having said that I own a few Invictas but those models haven’t hazed on me so I don’t know what the right answer is. Having said all that I love that show the blacklist LOL I guess maybe I expect Invicta to fog and I know that going in but I didn’t with Aragon but now I do so I guess they’re equal now? Heck it’s just too much math
 
sota0003 said:
Oog... i’ve got to sayit. If hazy crystals put them on the blacklist than Invicta has to be there too. I know you’re a fan so that may not go over well. Having said that I own a few Invictas but those models haven’t hazed on me so I don’t know what the right answer is. Having said all that I love that show the blacklist LOL I guess maybe I expect Invicta to fog and I know that going in but I didn’t with Aragon but now I do so I guess they’re equal now? Heck it’s just too much math
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It's not just hazing, but how fast the hazing is. 7 months, come on.
My impression from this forum is that Aragon has more of a hazing problem than Invicta. Invicta has it too but not as bad.
This isn't to say that Invicta should not pay attention to its hazing.
 
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roadwarrior said:
I'm starting to think it has something to do with the crystal type as BD mentioned. I don't recall every seeing any Android sapphire haze as yet.

I've been buying stuff from Stan at DEEP BLUE just as long since I've been collecting. I don't have one watch with haze and all of his use sapphire.
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Mike I don't think it sapphire in that watch. Probably K1 but nonetheless it shouldn't happen.
 
I have experienced the "fog" literally once with an old Android piece that I was able to address myself. The fog never came back. I have no idea what the reason could be, but I know if I had the same problem resurface multiple times with the same piece (in the same brand), I would be discouraged too. I've had my $22 "cheapie" Infantry Automatic which I post from time to time for the past 3 years (perhaps more) and have never seen a hint of fog/haziness in the crystal. I am ABSOLUTELY not stating this for any "Ha-Ha"value because there is none. It's just something that intrigues me about watches. You would think (at least I would) that the more $$ you pay, the more chance you have of avoiding instances such as this. I will definitely go over what thoughts have been shared on the topic before my post once again as well as keep my eyes peeled for what some may post after me. If I missed this.....my bad....but has anyone from the Aragon "camp" offered any insights as to why this is happening? Just curious.
 
Bottom line is, some Aragons fog and for whatever reason some don't. It's a mystery that I can't solve, because I've tried. I've also had a fogging crystal and suspect some I've flipped in the past were fogged and I just didn't notice because I wasn't looking for it. Now here is a few I checked out this morning that I know are older than the Parma that is fogged in this post and the crystal is clear as can be. The green M-diver is at least 6 years old and crystal is clear. Maybe Wing is having his watches assembled in two different locations? Fogging crystals come from one location and not the other? 20210224_080346.jpg20210224_080403.jpg20210224_080706.jpg20210224_080729.jpg20210224_080909.jpg20210224_081029.jpg
 
sota0003 said:
Well the haze monster has bit me again and I think I have finally learned my lesson. I got a parma 2 galaxy at the end of last July...roughly 7 months ago. I got it straight from Aragon. Nice watch. Well made and I like it. I wear it fairly often. I picked it up yesterday for a spin. On the way home I notice the dreaded haze monster is raging strong under the crystal. The watch is only 7 months old...well maybe older but 7 months delivered. I'm tried of having to take apart every Aragon I get to clean crystals. I hate to say it but i think I'm done with the brand. I shouldn't have to take apart a watch several times a year. It's up for sale on the bay as we speak. If someone wants it here let me know and if there are no bids it's yours. We can discuss price. I'm sad it has come to this but for a relatively brand new watch this is nuts. I didn't take pics of the fog but this is the watch

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My last three Aragons have all had issues of some sort. I kept the first two but the last of three which was also a Galaxy Parma only it had a blue bezel had an issue with the hands so I really could not deal with that. I had to call them several times to beg and beg and even posted it on here after I didn't receive any help. Everyone on the forum said Wing will take care of it and I really thought that he would. I mean why would he not take care of it... as he has a reputation for doing so right?

He even replied on the forum that he would take care of it. I don't know if it he forgot or didn't care or what but I never heard from him so I had to call again and finally got a return label. I had first told Christian that I wanted to return it and pay the differences for this Regenron but after all the not being taken seriously I was a little upset and just told her I want a refund now and maybe this whole situation is trying to tell me something. So maybe I have enough watches and had stopped buying Brand I for a few years but this has made me go back as since this incident I've purchased 4 brand Is with a fifth on the way.
 

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wjmccaff said:
Love you brother but we are not taking about a specific limited model that Aragon released with all the right parts, but rather the other few dozen that were released that had issues.
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I get your point Bill. I guess there are different thresholds for us all. I've never completely shut the door on any brand, not even Invicta. I could probably fill a few 12 slot boxes between the Android and Invicta haze models I own, many are autos from Wing. The times are rare when something from either brand grabs me. Even a brand like Deep Blue, which I have never had any haze issues. There may come a time when Stan hits all the right notes and something once again grabs me.
 
oogway said:
It's not just hazing, but how fast the hazing is. 7 months, come on.
My impression from this forum is that Aragon has more of a hazing problem than Invicta. Invicta has it too but not as bad.
This isn't to say that Invicta absolutely should pay attention to hazing.
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Good point
 
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Bottom line is, some Aragons fog and for whatever reason some don't. It's a mystery that I can't solve, because I've tried. I've also had a fogging crystal and suspect some I've flipped in the past were fogged and I just didn't notice because I wasn't looking for it. Now here is a few I checked out this morning that I know are older than the Parma that is fogged in this post and the crystal is clear as can be. The green M-diver is at least 6 years old and crystal is clear. Maybe Wing is having his watches assembled in two different locations? Fogging crystals come from one location and not the other? View attachment 730206View attachment 730207View attachment 730208View attachment 730209View attachment 730210View attachment 730211
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Those are some great shots! :giggle:
 
The absolute far down worst brand for fogging for me was the old Swiss Legend watches and even their offshoot brands Elini Barokas and Red Line. Almost every quartz watch I own of those have fogged. I have other brands with a variety of crystals including Sapphire that have fogged. I haven't though had a single mid range brand like Hamilton, Edox, Tissot, Fortis, Gevril, GV2, Glycine, Luminox, Formex, Brera Orologi, Mido, Zodiac, even Shinola(who use good retainers by the way) fog up. Not one. Has always been a so-called bargain brand that I've had fogging issues with. That's my personal experience, others have theirs and they all will be different.
 
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CG kind of reaffirms my point or theory. Deep Blue always used sapphire crystals. Folks will have more, less or none of certain brands. That is going to make a wide variance across the board in individual results.

This always changes upwards. When I go to do a battery change or look for a watch I seem to discover more fog on the horizon with the usual suspects.

THE LIST BELOW IS RUNNING FROM THE END OF 2020.

number of total watches of each brand

Android 66 watches
Aragon 10 watches
total of 76 watches/ approx 14 to 16 haze ( 21%)
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Invicta 70 watches
10 to 12 with haze ( 8%)
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brands from the same collecting period early on without any haze

Deep Blue 38 ( all using sapphire crystals) zero with haze

SWI (one) Valjoux 7750 LE
Swiss Legend 8 watches
total of nine watch/ zero haze

Renato 21 watches ( all with sapphire crystal) zero haze
 
roadwarrior said:
CG kind of reaffirms my point or theory. Deep Blue always used sapphire crystals. Folks will have more, less or none of certain brands. That is going to make a wide variance across the board in individual results.

This always changes upwards. When I go to do a battery change or look for a watch I seem to discover more fog on the horizon with the usual suspects.

THE LIST BELOW IS RUNNING FROM THE END OF 2020.

number of total watches of each brand

Android 66 watches
Aragon 10 watches
total of 76 watches/ approx 14 to 16 haze ( 21%)
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Invicta 70 watches
10 to 12 with haze ( 8%)
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brands from the same collecting period early on without any haze

Deep Blue 38 ( all using sapphire crystals) zero with haze

SWI (one) Valjoux 7750 LE
Swiss Legend 8 watches
total of nine watch/ zero haze

Renato 21 watches ( all with sapphire crystal) zero haze
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Have you noticed any pattern in when the watches develop haze?
 
oogway said:
Have you noticed any pattern in when the watches develop haze?
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Totally random oogway. The only way I even notice new haze victims is when searching through the watches for one reason or another, battery check, wind-up jump start, etc.

Just another downside of having far too many watches to pinpoint a pattern or development. I think even if I wore them all daily it would be difficult to narrow down anything.

I just ordered a bunch of assorted movement retainers and fresh batteries for a bunch of them from Esslinger.
 
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