I think I'm done with Aragon......

I always wondered if the grease caused fogging. Contaminated air when blowing out movement too.
Sorry about your problem BRAD and I feel your pain 66.gif
 
My last three Aragons have all had issues of some sort. I kept the first two but the last of three which was also a Galaxy Parma only it had a blue bezel had an issue with the hands so I really could not deal with that. I had to call them several times to beg and beg and even posted it on here after I didn't receive any help. Everyone on the forum said Wing will take care of it and I really thought that he would. I mean why would he not take care of it... as he has a reputation for doing so right?

He even replied on the forum that he would take care of it. I don't know if it he forgot or didn't care or what but I never heard from him so I had to call again and finally got a return label. I had first told Christian that I wanted to return it and pay the differences for this Regenron but after all the not being taken seriously I was a little upset and just told her I want a refund now and maybe this whole situation is trying to tell me something. So maybe I have enough watches and had stopped buying Brand I for a few years but this has made me go back as since this incident I've purchased 4 brand Is with a fifth on the way.
But I will say this out all the Androids and Aragons (about 35 total) that I have I have not had any fogging issues.
 
I think some folks may be missing seeing the haze in some instances. Sometimes it can't be seen unless under a loupe or macro lens. Other times at the right angle or light to see the haze.
True I rarely notice it unless in very bright light and the watch viewed at an angle...sometimes straight on if the haze is really bad
 
I think some folks may be missing seeing the haze in some instances. Sometimes it can't be seen unless under a loupe or macro lens. Other times at the right angle or light to see the haze.
Definitely at an angle or you'll probably never see it. My hazed up Silverjet could only be seen at an angle in the right light. I enjoy Aragon, but not a fanboy willing to defend the brand at all cost, but I do have quite a few and crystals are clear. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on them though, especially the more pricey pieces.
 
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Does anyone here occasionally have to clean their inside car windows of haze. I do. My Chevy Colorado with plastic/vinyl seats fogs up the inside glass on a regular basis.
Tru dat.
I haven't seen a glass or mirror yet that requires zero maintenance.
Wouldn't it be GR8 if all of these materials were self cleaning.:wink:
 
Well, I'm blessed in the non-haze department, I guess, although my luck with dirt under the crystal continues....

A Deep Blue this time, not only sporting some kind of lint on the hour hand, but a flaw or scrape of some sort on the dial of the watch, as well. It's being exchanged, and DB was a breeze to deal with on the issue.

I guess I'll thank my lucky stars for no hazing yet on any watches.

I can certainly appreciate being sick of a brand, when failure becomes a regular event.

I've actually been thinking a lot on Aragon -- will be posting up a trio of recent ones -- and the tendency to overlook flaws because of the price point (or, at intro pricing, anyway).

Idk, it's almost like a watch can be so affordable that I shrug my shoulders at it, but that seems a strange compromise. As @sota0003 said, scratch is scratch, and even the affordables are not bought with the intent to toss it in the trash.

Considering Wing's apparent desire to be on par with "luxury" brands, the flaws certainly don't fit with that.
 
FURTHER thoughts for clarity -- not that I'm done with Aragon, btw, I just ordered the newly released Millipede, but I can appreciate the frustrations of flaws. I get more frustrated when encountering them at higher price points, however, since my expectations do go up, as the price point goes up, and I'm just less likely to walk away from a flawed affordable, than a pricey one.

Not that it is "forgivable" under a few hundred dollars, but it seems much more painful somehow, for me anyway, above $500 or certainly beyond a thousand dollars. I suppose that's my continued attraction to, and tolerance for, the market under a grand. Given that there are horror stories for far more expensive watches (was just reading the other day about someone's frustrations with their Omega), the notion that paying more will equal a trouble free watch is probably just wishful thinking. Just looking up "problems with (fill in the brand here) watches," it's enough to realize that issues happen across the board.

Naturally, I suppose that's what warranties are for, as one customer said about problems with a Tudor, but who wants to be sending back their watches, right?

Guess it comes down to what any individual expects, for the money on the table, but, as has been mentioned in prior threads on quality control, the lack of it, from any brand, is always a disappointment. From all the feedback I've read, across many forums, it's clear that no brand get its perfect, every time, but when the scales tip toward more losses than wins in one's buying experience, the notion of being "done" with a brand certainly makes sense.

Whether or not a brand respects customer frustrations enough to responsively up their game, is another story, of course.

In the case of the Deep Blue, I really appreciated the quick apology, and assurance that QC practices will be reviewed, plus the instantly attached pre-paid return label, and a replacement watch on the way.

For a wrist piece under $150, that's some great customer care, and only increases my happiness with the brand -- not only do they almost always get it right, but instant confidence that, in the rare case it isn't perfect, they'll make it right.
 
I agree with @2manywatches that a quick and fair response by a company's CS department makes the difference for me as far as them getting any more of my business regardless of the price point...but I also agree that continued issues with a product, even if remedied by the company would lead me to steer clear...I just don't need the hassle.
 
I think some folks may tend to blur the lines of price and quality. The one key factor on brands like Aragon when prices reach their highest tiers is strictly based on the movement used. I've been dealing with Wing for well over a decade to understand the quality remains the same across the board, regardless if the cost is $99.00 or $799.00. The one variable is the movement that changes the prices upwards. A case in point is the meteorite, sapphire and ceramic with NH35 that sold for $199.00.
 
I've owned a couple of Androids in the past. My Skyguardian fogged up. Had to take it apart and clean.
 
In terms of value and quality, it's not unreasonable for some to feel that part of getting what one pays for should be getting more, for paying more.

It's a separate question as to how much less one might expect, by paying less. I've seen this debated with Invicta, endlessly, some feeling it's a brand on par with Patek, others convinced the watches have a negative value rating that ruins the entire concept of what watch value even means.

With Aragon, I continue to consider whether lower pricing (or, "intro pricing" in Aragon's case) forgives flaws, where they are found, and even what standard a brand sets, period, for quality across its range, as an affordable brand.

Pricing for quality is certainly its own game, and even a big player like Seiko raises question marks, when they can produce some of the most perfect watches on earth, at one level, and can't align a bezel, make it ceramic, or provide a decent bracelet at other price points.

While Deep Blue can also do mysterious pricing, like jacking up the Daynight Bronze to $1500 (a price I'd not pay for a bronze, trit sporting, 9015 powered watch), the brand has won me over more than many times with the general trend of high specs and "wow, I can't believe it" pricing. An abundantly lumed piece, sporting sapphire, ceramic, choice of bracelets, for $200, any day of the week, all week, all year long? Easy to get behind a brand like that.

As for Aragon releasing something with meteorite, sapphire and a ceramic bezel, at the same price point as a model with none of that, one can decide on their own which model is the better deal.

My experience has been "lesser" quality in various Aragon models, with the exact same movement, pricing aside. Stamped clasp, dismal lume, aluminum bezel, and so forth, and I guess that's my pondering, if a lower price point justifies such, especially given his mission statement to be on par with luxury brands, and also some assurances given, some time back, to "up the game" of the brand, while still the offerings include lower quality lume, no sapphire, no ceramic, depending on the model.

The logic of his pricing, well, that's his domain, and I'm just thankful to get impressive specs at around the same cost as lesser specs, at the intro point. I've never paid his listed "Our Price." And, I wouldn't, to be honest, much like I have a cap on what I'll plunk down for an Invicta.

I mean, I'd love to get a smaller case version of the Aragon 31 tube Hercules, for example, but at $450? No thanks, especially when I paid about a third of that, the first time around. It rather spoils the notion of paying more for the same product and that's a debate that always rages, in terms of discounted pricing, and how some buyers view a brand, because of it.

I, in fact, bought the 31 tube DF-45 instead, because, again, intro pricing was far more attractive and, besides, the lumed bezel on the Hercules was a big disappointment, even at the intro price I paid.

Anyway, my exploration here was more about a brand's evidenced quality for its price points, and, as I've said, there seems no immunity from getting a lemon, at any price point, but if a brand becomes a lemon tree, well, not everyone feels like starting up a lemonade stand, even if the lemons are ten for a dime.

A shame for any brand to become just a brand of not-worth-more-than $200 watches, prone to flaws, lower specs, and issues like fogging crystals. Not exactly the reputation a company wants to portray, I'd think.

And, how does that even impact "better" models, that are priced next to the more established brands? Would one shell out a tidy sum for a "nice" Aragon, if it lingers in the mind that it's a cheaper brand, prone to problems....

I don't know, I'd just be happy if Wing put attention to issues being raised by buyers, because he makes watches I really love, so I'd like to love them more, and I'm saddened to hear of customers potentially walking away, due to poor QC or low specs.

We all prefer, I'm sure, to be over-impressed, rather than underwhelmed, whatever the price point may be, and brands that can deliver that feeling, while still meeting their own needed profit targets, are a gift to the watch world.
 
Just to add my current issue. I purchased The Open Heart DF 47 and wore it a few times over 4 months. I picked it up one day and turned the bezel. No clicks and turned both ways??( never dropped ) Contacted Christina and she said send it in. I did about 3 weeks ago, I got a message that they had to replace the case ( crazy ) and that it would be in quality control a couple days. So I guess I will get maybe next week. Around a month gone. I almost didn’t send it in, however I really like the watch and it’s my only open heart. Not quick service but they do give a 2 year warranty.
 
his has been an ongoing issue for awhile and must be a combination of things.
Have other makers commented on this subject. Has Wing ever said anything?
I'm sure some of my watches have foggy tops, but have not noticed this
condition yet.
 
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