ETA, SELLITA OR STP? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

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Admittedly, the world of watches can sometimes be confusing. There are brands, suppliers and movement manufacturers - and all of them are surrounded by myths and legends. Let's take a look at the companies that provide the power of a watch. In addition to small specialized manufacturers that build movements for the Haute Horlogerie, there are three factories that build movements for numerous brands. ETA, Sellita and STP are the three suppliers. And somehow these three manufacturers build movements that could almost pass for twins. What’s the reason for this?

For decades, the ETA 2824-2 has been the caliber of choice for numerous watch brands. It was born in 1973 as ETA 2824 - still without the -2. The inner workings go back to the Eterna manufactory, on whose patents and designs the 2824 is based. As a factory, ETA is part of the Swatch Group and supplies all the Group's own brands - from Longines to Certina and Tissot. The 2824-2 is considered to be well engineered, reliable and robust, and can be repaired almost anywhere in the world.

But how do Sellita and STP manage to produce an identical product without having to fear legal consequences?
This is indeed due to the long expired patent protection of movements such as the 2824-2, the ETA 2892-A2 and the ETA-Valjoux 7750. Now everybody can produce and market a movement identical in construction. Sellita itself is a former, long-time supplier of ETA. The know-how to build own movements is in the genes of the factory and the Sellita SW 200 is therefore as good as an original ETA 2824-2. The youngest of the manufacturers is STP - Swiss Technology Production. The company was founded in 2006 in the Italian part of Switzerland. Since 2012 the American group Fossil is the main owner. STP produces the automatic movement STP 1-11 - also a clone of the proven ETA 2824-2. Interestingly, all three companies are located within a radius of 50km in the Swiss Jura region.

Are there any differences between the three movements?
No. Yes. Ah - so yes. Actually there is a difference: The original ETA movement has 25 jewels made of artificial ruby, but both Sellita and STP use 26 jewels. The additional jewel is hidden in the mainspring barrel bridge, where it supports the mainspring barrel under the ratchet wheel. ETA still uses a carbide bearing here. Technically, both - at least from a watchmaker's point of view - make no difference.

ETA 2824-2

Image ©ETA - 2824-2, click here for movement details at www.eta.ch

But there is a difference in the different technical and optical versions. At ETA, the 2824-2 is produced and marketed in four versions: Standard, Elaboré, Top and Chronometer. Standard is naked in the optics. Neither cuts nor other ornaments are on bridges and cocks, the technical equipment is also standard. In addition to the finishing, there are other differences among the four versions. The two jewels in the anchor, the material of the balance wheel, the hairspring on the balance wheel and the regulation differ. A standard movement comes with jewels made of polyrubin, a gold-plated nickel balance wheel, a Nivarox 2-hairspring and a basic-regulation in two positions. This enables the movement to achieve a rate of plus/minus 12 seconds per day. Movements with Elaboré equipment are technically identical, but have decorative finishes on bridges and cocks. These movements are regulated to plus/minus seven seconds.

„We decided to use Chronometer certified movements in all of our new developments, not only because it is a guarantee for highly precise rates, but also because it guarantees us to offer our customers movements with the highest possible executions and the best components available.” Raphael Granito, CEO Formex Watch SA
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The technology of the top and chronometer is changed to a red ruby jewel, a balance wheel with Glucydur ring, an Anachron hairspring and adjustment in either five positions (top) or five positions with subsequent testing by the official chronometer testing institute COSC.

In principle, the more precise the movement is to run, the greater the effort required and thus the higher price.
However, all manufacturers supply movements in very special configurations to meet demands from individual brands - which is why the four positions cannot be seen as standard. Furthermore, it is sometimes difficult to find out which movements and versions different brands use in their watches. Some brands modify the movements and use a so-called “ébauche” as a base. But in the end, they assign their own caliber number, which makes it difficult to recognize the base movement.

Sellita SW200-1

Image ©Sellita - SW200-1, click here for movement details at www.sellita.ch


Sellita offers the SW 200 with similar quality levels as the ETA. The standard movement also comes without any decorations whereas the "upscale" ones come with circular-grain (perlage) finish. However, on request all individualizations up to engravings, blued screws and much more are possible. Technically Sellita has taken over the steps from ETA and calls them Standard, Spécial (Elaboré), Premium (Top) and Chronometer. The Nivaflex material is used for the mainspring, the shock protection is either Novodiac or the more easily maintained Incabloc for the Top and Chronometer versions. The shock protection, the hairspring and the mainspring are supplied by the Swatch Group.

STP1-11



Image ©STP - STP1-11, click here for movement details at www.swisstp.com

STP makes an exception in terms of both decoration and technology: here the movements all come ex works with pearlage and Glucydur balance wheel. By now, STP also offers a certification as a chronometer, so that the movement is finally on par with the ETA 2824-2 and meets high optical and technical demands. STP does not purchase any components from ETA, the movements are more than 60 percent manufactured in Switzerland and therefore meet all requirements for "Swiss Made". Various components are sourced from abroad, which is hardly surprising. Anyone who turns away from the Swatch Group as a supplier has little choice but to buy from across the border. The only component sourced from the Swatch Group is the main spring by Nivaflex. The well-known Incabloc is installed as shock absorber. Incabloc themselves are still an independent Swiss supplier.



But why three different suppliers for a very similar product?
Well, the main reason for this is found at Swatch Group themselves: For the longest time, watchmakers could order movements from ETA without any worries. However, in the beginning of the 2000s, Swatch Group boss Hayek announced that from 2006 onwards, no movements would be delivered to third-party customers. The reason is simple: thanks to ETA movements, many manufacturers were able to make watches that were often lower in price than the Swatch Group's own brands, but which were just as good in quality thanks to the reliable ETA movements. In the view of the Swatch Group, market potential thus fell into the wrong hands. The Swiss Competition Commission (Weko) forced ETA to compromise due to its Monopoly position in the market for movements. In October 2013, a reduced scope of supply was agreed until 2019, which was later extended until July 2020. As of this month the ETA is no longer obliged to deliver - but in the meantime one thing has become clear: The industry is no longer dependent on ETA movements. With Sellita and STP, there are equally good alternatives. Especially since both manufacturers also offer numerous versions of the movements - from manual winding to changed hand position, weekday complications and much more. Sellita also builds the ETA 2892-A2 movement as SW300 and the ETA-Valjoux 7750 chronograph movement as caliber SW500 - both of equal quality.

One or two questions are still open at the end: Do we still need the original ETA 2824-2 - and how long will this movement be available from ETA?
One thing is a fact: numerous brands within the Swatch Group are now using new movements such as the Powermatic 80 calibers. Although these are based on the architecture of the 2824, they have a different escapement - i.e. the assembly around the balance, anchor and escape wheel - and a different mainspring. There are no plans to sell these calibers to brands outside the Swatch Group. Thanks to Sellita and STP, however, this is no longer a problem: The market for movements is so far secure, and the quality of the Swiss manufacturers too. Even a complete refusal to deliver by ETA would have hardly any effect, because STP and Sellita are equal alternatives.

Thomas Gronenthal, Author
 
Asking how they can produce an identical product without legal issues is pretty much like asking why do so many companies or brands make a cola product that all tries to taste something close to Coca-Cola.
 
I’m very early on with the only STP movement I own so I really can’t comment too much on that one. I’ve had to do an equal amount of repairs to both the ETA and the Sellita movements in my collection . Sellita seems to have solved the winding gear issue that they had early on at least in the ones that I owned that are newer. Honestly my worst offenders are the Seiko movements that actually come and Seiko watches. I don’t think +1 minute or +45 seconds or anything of that sort is acceptable despite what the manufacture may say.
 
But I have to comment on the new Powermatic 80s and all the variants that are in other Swatch group Watches. I have I think six or so? I know it’s terrible not to know LOL. And all of these movements are within a couple of seconds a day and the 80 hour power reserve is certainly a plus. Some of the new ones are using a silicone hear Spring. This watches are great value considering retail on the higher end it’s like 900 bucks
 
I couldn't care less about Swiss made. I'll take the Miyota 9000 series over them all. I've never been caught up in the stigma of not being Swiss made. I've yet to even have an issue with a Miyota automatic movement. I can't say the same about the Swiss made counterparts. They may not be as pretty to look at, but I'll take reliability any day. Throw a closed case back with a nice engraving and forget about the window.
 
I couldn't care less about Swiss made. I'll take the Miyota 9000 series over them all. I've never been caught up in the stigma of not being Swiss made. I've yet to even have an issue with a Miyota automatic movement. I can't say the same about the Swiss made counterparts. They may not be as pretty to look at, but I'll take reliability any day. Throw a closed case back with a nice engraving and forget about the window.
9015 is a tank.
 
9015 is a tank.


rotor noise gets posts...like a cement mixer...some peeps find it a soporific horo lullaby...some peeps annoyed...I would prefer 9038 or 9 ?

take an eta 2824...NH35 would like a rest from...my last NH35 I have to baby the power reserve with wake -bake-shake
 
rotor noise gets posts...like a cement mixer...some peeps find it a soporific horo lullaby...some peeps annoyed...I would prefer 9038 or 9 ?

take an eta 2824...NH35 would like a rest from...my last NH35 I have to baby the power reserve with wake -bake-shake
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I have all of them. Honestly can't tell the difference Like Mike said the Miyota 9000 series is as good as the Swiss movements.
 
rotor noise gets posts...like a cement mixer...some peeps find it a soporific horo lullaby...some peeps annoyed...I would prefer 9038 or 9 ?

take an eta 2824...NH35 would like a rest from...my last NH35 I have to baby the power reserve with wake -bake-shake
I only noticed it on a junkers I have but that one has an acrylic crystal
 
This little gem is from a Sellita
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But I have to comment on the new Powermatic 80s and all the variants that are in other Swatch group Watches. I have I think six or so? I know it’s terrible not to know LOL. And all of these movements are within a couple of seconds a day and the 80 hour power reserve is certainly a plus. Some of the new ones are using a silicone hear Spring. This watches are great value considering retail on the higher end it’s like 900 bucks
Bravo, Sir. You fully appreciate a truly fantastic movement. I have 8 watches with Powermatic 80 movements from 4 different Swatch group manufacturers. Like you, mine all run well within COSC limits. Absolutely AWESOME movement powering watches that for the most part sell for well below 1000 USD. Entry level, reliable Swiss made fare for a fraction of the cost of many others.
 
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