[SOLD-OUT] Aragon Auto Flying Tourbillon LE50 $600

I'm waiting for the P531-4 double tourbillon Divemaster Enforcer Evo Millipede Matador

bobbyd said:

I'm waiting for the P531-4 double tourbillon Divemaster Enforcer Evo Millipede Matador

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on a bracelet?

If I had the budget I would try the White. I like diver style / larger watches. The movement in a driver is ok by me. I like variety. If Wing doesn’t sell out, then he may not product this type of watch again. I wonder how regulated / accurate they are?

Like I said before, I wish Wing did this tourbillon watch in a total different type of watch. A new design with a unique dial.Breadmen this eagle dial watch I believe is yours if I'm not mistaken. Put a tourby in that watch I would buy. Do you still have that watch? I think you sold the Green mop dial one.

Both the White and the Black versions are beautiful.

It's really a hard choice...

So guys which color should I get ?

breadmen said:

Both the White and the Black versions are beautiful.

It's really a hard choice...

So guys which color should I get ?

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How about both.

scantor said:

How about both.

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That's what Wing said in the video...but I only want ONE this time

My feeling is WHITE in the 48mm size...Black is running a close second

breadmen said:

That's what Wing said in the video...but I only want ONE this time

My feeling is WHITE in the 48mm size...Black is running a close second

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Buy both. Give me 1.
I’ll trade wit you anytime you want.

scantor said:

Like I said before, I wish Wing did this tourbillon watch in a total different type of watch. A new design with a unique dial.Breadmen this eagle dial watch I believe is yours if I'm not mistaken. Put a tourby in that watch I would buy. Do you still have that watch? I think you sold the Green mop dial one. View attachment 734627View attachment 734628

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scantor,

I remember when Wing had his Android closeout sale and that Eagle watch was a sample he was selling that never made it into production. However I wasn't the WIT member who bought it. But I get your suggestion it would have made a good Tourbillon model.

However Wing did make two Swarovski crystal embellished Eagle Tourbillon models (and also 2 Dragon versions). One model had a silver Eagle Swarovski crystal dial and the other model had a rose gold Eagle Swarovski crystal dial. I have both of them (and both Dragon Swarovski Tourbillons- second row In picture below):



As for the green MOP Android Tourbillon (AD620) which is my WIT avatar photo, I still have that watch, I never sold it. Actually I still own ALL 4 versions of what many still consider the "Grail" of Android watches ; namely the AD620 Tungsten Virtuoso Tourbillon in the Green MOP version, the Black MOP version, the Blue MOP version and the rare White MOP version. See top row in picture below:

breadmen said:

Both the White and the Black versions are beautiful.

It's really a hard choice...

So guys which color should I get ?

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White because it’s unique, how many divers out there with White ceramic bezels?

I went with the black, 48mm (of course!). I originally was not even interested in the idea, but, I recently ordered another auto tourby with a Peacock movement, and, in the course of researching that one, it's clear that the movement will suffice, so it was intriguing to learn what engine was inside this release.

Then, in watching the video, while I thought the DM 4 would not be conducive to the movement, I wound up really liking how it looks, as an elevated dive watch. Yes, the design is a bit played, and perhaps not as grand as one might think should be suited to a tourby, but, that's what appeals to me about it, a "daily" watch with something special in it.

I'm not a huge fan of the high polish, but I have no issues against it. I have lots of shiny watches and they hold up well and aren't marred with prints while wearing it.

As for hazy crystals, I don't have one yet, from any brand, lol, going on a few decades, so knock on wood, I guess. Then again, I'm constantly blessed with brand new watches with dirt under the crystal, on arrival, from a range of brands -- just happened yet again -- so maybe the watch gods have punished me enough, and are holding the haze at bay.

The video was interesting -- he's wrong in saying that no Sea-Gull has tourby a screw down crown, considering the Invicta with the TY8000 does, on the 500m WR SAS. I rather liked his bold assertion that everyone overprices, so, buy Aragon! What a company's acceptable profit margin may be is, of course, a decision each brand makes, and generally the rule is to create a perception of value and price accordingly, in recognition of market position, which we know is a very wide range.

People will always argue worth, value, price point. It still keeps me out of higher priced watches because I have a hard time justifying the merit of the price tag, above a certain threshold.

Wing's intro pricing is usually quite appealing, but there was even one recently that just seemed overpriced, that tritium laced one, I think, and I passed on that. While his noble sentiment on never overcharging us is admirable, as a sentiment, I would think he does this as a revenue stream, so he has to be making money at it, unless he's just doing this for fun and living off of his wealth. But, his pricing is sure part of what makes the brand easy to buy, and I've wind up with a lot of them. I think I have nearly a dozen or more now, from Aragon.

In truth, lesser priced buys from him have been lesser watches, to some degree, or, certainly not more watch than the money, and that's at intro pricing. I would not pay any of his MSRP's, just to be brutally honest.

I've mused about this before, with his "intro" pricing, which is almost Eyal-esque, the idea that we're saving so much, and it leaves one wondering if we're getting more watch for the money, at intro, or just far less watch, at MSRP, where they do become perhaps "overpriced" in consideration of what he's providing in terms of specs. Mostly, at intro, they seem priced on point, but some have definitely been better bargains than others, and some a pretty darn good steal.

A $600 auto tourby maybe is not impossible to get elsewhere, but it doesn't seem a usual grab at that price point. I recently tried a JOMW recommended Ali buy, and it was literally a piece of junk, for around $350. The other Peacock powered piece I have on order was on discount for about $1100, from $1890 but, then again, it is not a run of the mill dive watch design and has some attributes that, for me, justified the cost, especially since it was well below full price (which I likely would not pay, because of what else is out there, but even a two grand tourby is obviously somewhat of a bargain, if looking specifically for that movement -- after all, many Chinese tourbys run into the many thousands of dollars).

The Zelos Mirage was what, ten grand? A Swiss tourby, from a group owned by Citizen, and only ten of the Mirage's even made, so, good luck to even have gotten one, but that price seemed to sure go along with all of the extra goodies on it. Zelos sets a high bar. But, at the lower price, kinda the same here, this seems a good deal for what it is, and on point at the intro price.

I'm interested too about this lumed material being used. Glow in the dark plastic of some kind? Wing is sure hit and miss with the lume, and it is so frustrating when well lumed designs don't hold the glow. That whole "going to upgrade my designs" story is getting old, but, at least sapphire and ceramic here.

I just like the idea of a tourby that will stay running and, I do like this notion of a toolish tourby.

So, is that a good price for what you get??

JersterCa said:

White because it’s unique, how many divers out there with White ceramic bezels?

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Stan always used to do white bezels.

breadmen said:

scantor,

I remember when Wing had his Android closeout sale and that Eagle watch was a sample he was selling that never made it into production. However I wasn't the WIT member who bought it. But I get your suggestion it would have made a good Tourbillon model.

However Wing did make two Swarovski crystal embellished Eagle Tourbillon models (and also 2 Dragon versions). One model had a silver Eagle Swarovski crystal dial and the other model had a rose gold Eagle Swarovski crystal dial. I have both of them (and both Dragon Swarovski Tourbillons- second row In picture below):

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As for the green MOP Android Tourbillon (AD620) which is my WIT avatar photo, I still have that watch, I never sold it. Actually I still own ALL 4 versions of what many still consider the "Grail" of Android watches ; namely the AD620 Tungsten Virtuoso Tourbillon in the Green MOP version, the Black MOP version, the Blue MOP version and the rare White MOP version. See top row in picture below:

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That's a beautiful collection you have there. As far as the Flying eagle watch I know some WIT member has it. I have quite a few of Wing's tourby watches too. This new one is just too plain for me. Don't get me wrong it's not bad, just ordinary.

sota0003 said:

So, is that a good price for what you get??

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Lol, depends on how much someone wants to get it, I suppose.

I get that some view it as a "plain" case design, with the same old, same old Divemaster DNA, but, as I say, while a tourby can be put into a decorated up, fancy build, I like Wing's approach here, of a utilitarian choice, showcasing that a tourby doesn't have to appear only as a delicate seeming dress watch.

And, again, for an auto tourbillon, from a reputable manufacturer in China, add in sapphire, ceramic, sound WR, I doubt you'll find anything of the same quality and specs for less, or even similar.

Obviously the cost is for a tourby, but, consider, six hundred for just an auto diver? Even that is not a ridiculous asking price among Micros. Even lower beat NH35's are going for five hundred plus.

To me, it's a good price, but I find the movement compelling, as a great bit of horological history, and one of the better looking movements displayed on any dial. When I consider that any Swiss variety is going to start at twenty grand, and go up to millions, yes, it's a good price for a tourby, especially considering the praise for these affordable Chinese versions.

And, I have watches from Wing, that he cases up with sapphire and ceramic, and they are well made.

I'm very happy with a well built, reliable tourby for the intro price here. I wouldn't pay the MSRP because it doesn't excite me $1500 worth but, specs for specs, even that price is not a crazy ask, again, just looking at it against available options.

So, yes, it is a good price, based on what I know it could cost for anything remotely similar. I think I picked up my Invicta with the TY-800 for four or five hundred, but, this is an auto, which is more intriguing to me, and, sapphire, ceramic, it's done right.

I was considering not getting it, because of the DM case, but I'm very glad I changed my mind. Then again, I have a "fancier" tourby on the way, so I'm okay with different takes on the theme, since I will already have a dressed up one.

roadwarrior said:

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Now Wing should've came out with something what you posted Mike. That's my cup of tea I don't know if I would be able to afford it though but that's what I like to see in a tourbillon watch. These 2 have an Asian flair to them. I understand why Wing went this route putting a tourbillon in a dive watch but I want something with more flair.

2manywatches said:

Lol, depends on how much someone wants to get it, I suppose.

I get that some view it as a "plain" case design, with the same old, same old Divemaster DNA, but, as I say, while a tourby can be put into a decorated up, fancy build, I like Wing's approach here, of a utilitarian choice, showcasing that a tourby doesn't have to appear only as a delicate seeming dress watch.

And, again, for an auto tourbillon, from a reputable manufacturer in China, add in sapphire, ceramic, sound WR, I doubt you'll find anything of the same quality and specs for less, or even similar.

Obviously the cost is for a tourby, but, consider, six hundred for just an auto diver? Even that is not a ridiculous asking price among Micros. Even lower beat NH35's are going for five hundred plus.

To me, it's a good price, but I find the movement compelling, as a great bit of horological history, and one of the better looking movements displayed on any dial. When I consider that any Swiss variety is going to start at twenty grand, and go up to millions, yes, it's a good price for a tourby, especially considering the praise for these affordable Chinese versions.

And, I have watches from Wing, that he cases up with sapphire and ceramic, and they are well made.

I'm very happy with a well built, reliable tourby for the intro price here. I wouldn't pay the MSRP because it doesn't excite me $1500 worth but, specs for specs, even that price is not a crazy ask, again, just looking at it against available options.

So, yes, it is a good price, based on what I know it could cost for anything remotely similar. I think I picked up my Invicta with the TY-800 for four or five hundred, but, this is an auto, which is more intriguing to me, and, sapphire, ceramic, it's done right.

I was considering not getting it, because of the DM case, but I'm very glad I changed my mind. Then again, I have a "fancier" tourby on the way, so I'm okay with different takes on the theme, since I will already have a dressed up one.

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Which one did you get and what did you get that's on it's way if you don't mind me asking?