From where I sit the mere fact Invicta and Aragon consistently bring new product to market,where would we be without them ? Ironically the companies that continue to bring thousands of new models just last year are the ones getting bashed for too much product. I was shocked to find out Invicta introduced 4,500 new models in 2017. Seiko & Citizen combined introduced 40 new styles, at the very least this forum would probably be much quieter if Invicta & Aragon were similar to other watch companies.